WE HAVE A DREAM TEAM HERE.
CHRIS, FIRST, THE LIMITS THAT
HAVE BEEN IMPOSED ON TRUMP'S
SPEECH IN THE COMING, WHATEVER,
WEEKS, MONTHS, YEARS.
TRUMP BAIL STIPULATIONS INCLUDE
NO DIRECT OR INDIRECT THREAT OF
ANY NATURE AGAINST CODEFENDANTS,
WITNESSES, INCLUDING UNINDICTED
COCONSPIRATORS, ANY VICTIM, THE
COMMUNITY, OR ANY PROPERTY IN
THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT
INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED,
TO POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
RE-POSTS OF POSTS, MADE BY
ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL ON SOCIAL
MEDIA, AND SPEECH, PRESUMABLY.
IT SEEMS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE THAT
HE'S GOING TO ABIDE THIS.
>> THAT'S MY FIRST INSTINCT.
I LOVE TO MIND ON THIS.
ON ONE HAND, I THINK IT'S
LIKELY TO JUST TEST AND TEST
AND TEST, HE WOULDN'T GET AWAY
WITH.
AND WHAT ARE GONNA DO?
FROM A JAIL?
GO AHEAD.
COME ON.
YOU'RE GONNA THROW ME IN JAIL?
FULTON COUNTY JUDGE, JUDGE
TANYA CHUTKAN, WHATEVER.
AT THE OTHER MIND I, HAVE LIKE,
HE HAS, THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE,
DISPLAYED AN UNCANNY ABILITY OF
LIKE WALKING UP TO THE LINE,
AND SOFTLY TRANSGRESSING.
IT POSSIBLY DENIABLE WAY.
I THINK WE'LL SEE A LOT OF
FLIRTING WITH THE BOUNDARIES.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A REAL TEST
OF THESE JUDGES.
AND THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE.
THE DEGREE TO WHICH WHAT
THEY'RE GOING TO, LIKE, NOT
TAKE ANY GOT, --
>> MESSING AROUND.
>> THE COMMUNITY, TRUMP HAS
SPENT, LAURA, THE LAST FEW DAYS,
JUST ON A TIRADE AGAINST
ATLANTA.
IT'S CRIME RATE.
A I WON'T USE HIS WORDS TO
DESCRIBE THE, CITY BY THAT
ABSOLUTELY INTERSECTS WITH ONE
OF THE PRESENT PROVISIONS HE'S
NOT SUPPOSED TO VIOLATE.
I WONDER, THE JUDGE IN THIS
CASE, I BELIEVE HIS NAME IS
SCOTT MCAFEE, MCAFEE, 34 YEARS
OLD.
>> BUT ON THE BENCH FOR A
MINUTE.
>> LITERALLY APPOINTED, SWORN
IN, ON FEBRUARY 1ST.
HE IS THE NEWEST OF 19 JUDGES
AT FULTON COUNTY SUPERIOR
COURT.
I MEAN, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT
HIM?
WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT HIS
ABILITY TO MANAGE WHAT IS GOING
TO BE A RAUCOUS CASE?
>> WE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT.
AND HE HAS BEEN ON THE BENCH
THAT LONG.
CERTAINLY, NEVER THE CASE THIS
BIG.
EVEN IN HIS OWN PRACTICE AS A
FORMER PROSECUTOR.
HE'S NEVER HAD TO DO SOMETHING
LIKE THIS.
AND AS CHRIS SAID, I THINK THAT
WHAT WE'RE SEEING, THIS ENTIRE
DISPLAY, NOT JUST, TODAY BUT
ALL FOUR OF THESE CASES, IT'S A
STRESS TEST.
IT'S A STRESS TEST OF THE
SYSTEM.
AND THERE'S THIS WEIRD DUALITY
WHEN IT COMES TO THE FORMER
PRESIDENT FOR WHICH PROCESSES
ARE JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER
DEFENDANT.
AND WHICH ONES VEER OFF COURSE.
LIKE THE MUGSHOT TODAY, IT'S
THE FIRST TIME HE ACTUALLY HAD
TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS JUST
LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND THEN HE HAS THESE OTHER
BILL CONDITIONS, WHICH ARE LIKE,
VERY BIZARRE.
NOT BEING ABLE TO RE-POST WITH
SOMEBODY ELSE HAS POSTED.
THAT'S NOT A NORMAL BILL
CONDITION.
IT IS A PARTICULAR ONE THAT
JUDGES FEEL IS NECESSARY.
AND THE PROSECUTORS FEELS
NECESSARY.
GIVEN HIS PROPENSITY, AND WHAT
HE'S DONE IN PAST CASES.
SO, IT'S JUST REMARKABLE TO ME,
TO SORT OF THINK ABOUT WHAT HAS
BEEN OFF THE CHARTS BONKERS IN
TERMS OF THIS CASE AND FOR
CASES BEING DIFFERENT.
AND WHAT IS, THERE'S SOMETHING
JUST STRIKING ABOUT HAVING THE
FORMER PRESIDENT HAVE TO GO IN
A PLACE THAT'S BEING
INVESTIGATED BY THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT, A PLACE THAT IT IS
INFECTED WITH BEDBUGS, RIGHT?
WHAT IS MORE HUMBLING THAN
THAT.
OR AT LEAST SHOULD BE FOR
ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO BE
THERE.
with NUCALA.
>> FOR A MAN WHO USED TO LIVE
IN TRUMP TOWER AND THE WHITE
HOUSE.
AND STILL DOES IN SOME CASES.
NOT THE WHITE HOUSE, THOUGH.
BARR, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
STRESS TEST, IT SEEMED LIKE A
LOT OF IT IS LEFT TO THE
DISCRETION OF PROSECUTORS IN
TERMS OF WHAT THEY WILL
COMPLAIN ABOUT, AND THE JUSTICE
AND HOW THEY RULE ON A
DEFENDANT VIOLATING THE TERMS
OF BAIL.
BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT
TRUMP WAS FINGERPRINTED AND
MUGSHOT IT IN A WAY THAT HE HAS
NOT BEEN IN ANY OF THESE
INDICTMENTS, SHOULD WE INFER
ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY GEORGIA
IS GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS
DEFENDANT?
WILL IT BE A TOUGHER LINE NATO?
OR IS IT PREMATURE TO SUPPOSE
ANYTHING BASED ON THE
PROCESSING THUS FAR?
>> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY
ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON ONE SMALL
DATA POINT, BUT IF YOU ARE TO
GENERALIZE, IN BIG TERMS,
FEDERAL COURT IS THE VERY
POLITE KIND OF PLACE, THE
FEDERAL PRISONS ARE VERY CLEAN,
VERY TIDY, SOMETIMES THEY CALL
THEM CLUB FED BECAUSE THEY ARE
CAMPS AT-ING'S AND VERY NICE
SETTINGS.
STATE COURT IS DIFFERENT.
IT DEALS WITH VIOLENT CRIME,
STREET CRIME, AND TREATS PEOPLE
LIKE THEY ARE CRIMINALS IN THE
WORST SENSE OF THAT WORD.
DEHUMANIZES PEOPLE.
SOMETIMES TREATS PEOPLE LIKE
ANIMALS.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE TREATED THAT
WAY.
AND YET THAT IS SOMETIMES THE
WAY THE WORLD IS SEEN IN THE
LENS OF STATE COURT BECAUSE A
DEAL WITH DIFFICULT
CIRCUMSTANCES OF HUMANITY.
TO THAT EXTENT IT MIGHT BE A
MORE ROUGH-AND-TUMBLE WORLD
THAN STATE IN STATE COURT.
THEY DON'T PUT UP WITH A LOT OF
NONSENSE.
I THINK THAT THERE IS A
POSSIBILITY THAT WE MAY SEE
FANI WILLIS TAKE A TOUGH LINE,
AND THE JUDGE TAKE A TOUGH
LINE.
I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, THE THING
THAT SURPRISED ME AND I
APPRECIATED WAS THE STRATEGIC
DECISION BY FANI WILLIS TO SAY,
I HAVE ISSUED ARREST WARRANTS,
BUT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE
COURTESY.
IF YOU SHOW UP WITHIN THE NEXT
TWO WEEKS, I WON'T EXECUTE
THEM.
YOU CAN TURN YOURSELF IN.
THERE WAS SUCH A SMART MOVE.
WE DON'T DO IT IN FEDERAL
COURT.
WE CALL AND SAY HELLO, WOULD IT
BE CONVENIENT FOR YOU TO BRING
YOUR CLIENT IN SOMETIME NEXT
TWO DAYS?
AND WE LET THEM CALL THE SHOTS.
THIS WAS A VERY SHREWD MOVE, I
THINK, BECAUSE SHE CORRECTLY
ANTICIPATED THAT EITHER TRUMP
OR SOME OF THESE OTHER
DEFENDANTS WHO WOULD TRY TO
JERK AROUND AND SLOW THINGS
DOWN, JUST AS WE SAW MARK
MEADOWS DO AND JEFF CLARK TO,
IN THE JUDGE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY
OF IT.
IT MAY BE THAT WE SEE THIS
TOUGHER STANCE IN STATE COURT
THAT WE HAVE SEEN TO DATE IN
FEDERAL COURT.