IT JUST FINISHED.
BUT FROM WHAT WAS ADVANCE TO US,
HE IS GOING RIGHT UP TO THE
LINE IN TERMS OF THESE
PROSECUTORS.
I HAVE TO ASK, THOUGH, CHARLES
COLEMAN, THE THING THAT WILL
BUNCH IS ESTABLISHING IN THE
PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER THAT
THERE IS A THROUGH LINE FROM
THE 18 70S KLAN LAW, TO THE
APPEARANCE OF FRED TRUMP AT A
KLAN RALLY, AND THE TWISTED
PRESIDENCY OF DONALD TRUMP.
I MEAN, THE IDEA THAT, IN THIS
MOMENT OF CRISIS, TRUMP CHOOSES
TO FOCUS ON WHAT HE CALLS
RACISM IN REVERSE, WHICH IS
BLACK PROSECUTORS GOING AFTER A
WHITE MAN, RIGHT?
THAT IS MORE THAN JUST
POLITICAL SLOGANEERING.
THAT IS SAYING THE QUIET PART
OUT LOUD ABOUT WHO DONALD TRUMP
IS SPEAKING TO.
AND I THINK, TO SOME DEGREE,
WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO --
WHICH IS FOCUS ON THE BLACKNESS,
AND FOCUS ANGER AND TURN ON
THAT BLACKNESS.
>> WELL, ALEX, IT IS A
FULL-THROATED YELL TO WHITE
NATIONALISTS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WHITE
NATIONALISM AND SORT OF WHITE
SUPREMACY.
WHITE NATIONALISM IS EXTREMELY
SPECIFIC IN THAT IT REFERS TO
THE NOTION THAT THERE ARE
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WHITE WHO
SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RUN OR
EVEN PARTICIPATE IN THE CIVIC
PROCESSES THAT OUR DEMOCRACY IS
BASED ON.
AND THAT IS WHY IT IS SO
IMPORTANT HAVE THIS
CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS ATTACKING
AND WHERE THEY ARE POSITIONED
WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROCESS --
HE IS ATTACKING DISTRICT
ATTORNEYS.
HE IS ATTACKING LEGISLATORS.
HE IS ATTACKING PEOPLE WHO ARE
BASICALLY AT THE HELM OF
UPHOLDING OUR DEMOCRATIC
INSTITUTIONS.
AND AT THE HELM OF UPHOLDING
THESE LAWS.
AND ALSO, WHAT HE IS, AT THE
SAME TIME, DOING --
HE IS BASICALLY SUGGESTING THAT
IT IS OKAY, ALABAMA, IF YOU ARE
DISENFRANCHISING LITERALLY
THOUSANDS OF BLACK AMERICAN
VOTERS.
BY DEFYING WHAT THE SUPREME
COURT HAS SAID --
>> YES.
>> THAT IS ALL WHITE
NATIONALIST RHETORIC.
IT IS NOT A DOG WHISTLE.
IT IS A BULL HORN.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
THAT THAT IS EXACTLY LOUISA
PEELING.
TO >> YEAH, I'M OVER OLD ENOUGH
TO REMEMBER WHEN THE --
OH, THE ALABAMA CONGRESSIONAL
DELEGATION, MAYBE LITERALLY
DISENFRANCHISING PEOPLE OF
COLOR WOULD BE REASON FOR A
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO BE
LIKE, HEY, MAYBE DON'T GO DOWN
THERE AND ACCEPT A UNILATERAL
ENDORSEMENT OF OTHERS AND
PROFESSIONAL AND DELEGATION.
>> RIGHT, BUT IF YOU THINK
ABOUT THE FACT THAT DON TRUMP
IS NOW RUNNING TO STAY OUT OF
PRISON, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT
WHAT HE HAS BEEN --
THE LAWS ANNOYANCE THAT HE HAS
BEEN WILLING TO SMASH, JUST IN
ORDER TO GET INTO POWER, AND
WHAT HE IS GOING --
AND THE PEOPLE THAT HE IS GOING
TO DISENFRANCHISE, GOING TO
NEED TO DISENFRANCHISE IF HE
HAS ANY HOPE OF WINNING THIS
NEXT ELECTION --
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THE GLOVES
HAVE NEVER BEEN ON.
BUT THEY ARE REALLY OFF NOW IN
TERMS OF WHAT HE IS GOING TO BE
WILLING TO DO IN 2024.
>> I DO WONDER, CHARLES, IF I
AM OVERSTATING THE CASE HERE.
BUT IT IS INTERESTING TO ME
THAT HE REALLY --
HE HAS CALLED FANI WILLIS A
RACIST, HE HAS CALLED ALLEN BAG
RACIST AND AN ANIMAL, HE HAS
CALLED TISH JAMES RACIST AND
PEEKABOO --
JACK SMITH IS A WHITE MAN.
SO, I DON'T THINK RACISM IN
REVERSE APPLIES TO JACK SMITH.
HE HAS NOT TALKED ABOUT JACK
SMITH'S RACE.
HE CALLS AND ARRANGED.
TO ME, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE
WHEN TRUMP SHOUTS OUT THE --
THAT ALMOST CALLS FOR A
REBALANCING OF THE SCALES FROM
TRUMP SUPPORTERS, WHEREAS
CALLING JACK SMITH DERANGED IS
SORT OF LIKE, DON'T LISTEN TO
WHAT THAT GUY IS SAYING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS
GOING SO FAR TO SAY, I ALMOST
HEAR VIOLENCE IN THE CALLING OF
BLACK PROSECUTORS RACIST,
WHEREAS I DON'T HEAR IT IN THE
SAME WAY WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT
JACK SMITH.
>> THERE IS NO ALMOST.
AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS VERY
MUCH SO OUT OF THE WHITE
NATIONALIST PLAYBOOK.
BECAUSE PART OF IT IS A
SUGGESTION THAT, NOT ONLY ARE
YOU NOT QUALIFIED.
BUT THEN THERE IS A SORT OF
DEHUMANIZING ELEMENT OF WHAT
THOSE REMARKS DO TO SOMEONE WHO
IS IN A POSITION OF AUTHORITY.
>> YEAH.
>> THAT'S VERY INTENTIONAL.
THAT'S NOT BY ACCIDENT.
THIS IS NOT A MISTAKE.
DONALD TRUMP IS VERY CLEAR
ABOUT WHAT HE'S DOING IN WHO HE
IS APPEALING TO.
THE OTHER THING THAT MAKES THIS
MORE INTERESTING IS, AND YOU
JUST SORT OF REFERENCE THIS, IS
THAT HE IS NOW RUNNING TO STAY
OUT OF JAIL.
AND SO HE IS DOUBLING DOWN,
ALMOST IN A SPACE OF
DESPERATION, TO TRY TO AVOID
WHAT IS INEVITABLY COMING WITH
RESPECT TO CONVICTIONS IN ONE
OF THESE CASES.
EXPECT THAT THESE ATTACKS ARE
GOING TO CONTAIN ADDITIONAL
VITRIOL.
EXPECT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO
CONTAIN ADDITIONAL HINTS AROUND
VIOLENCE THAT ARE GOING TO GET
LOUDER AND LOUDER.
AND THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE A
JUDGE MAKING THE SORT OF
BOUNDARIES THAT YOU DO AS PART
OF THIS ARRAIGNMENT.
BECAUSE WE ALL CAN SEE WHERE
THIS IS HEADING.
WE KNOW WHAT THIS IS AND WE
KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING.
>> YEAH.
>> WE HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE
BEFORE, AND WE KNOW HOW IT
ENDS.
THE PROBLEM --
>> WELL, WE HAVE SEEN PART ONE
OF THIS.
WE ARE NOW IN THE TURBOCHARGED
SEQUEL TO IT.
>> THIS IS THE FAST AND FURIOUS
FRANCHISE OF POLITICS IN 2023.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THE
REASON WE GOT HERE IS BECAUSE
WE DID NOT CALL IT OUT FOR WHAT
--
BACK IN 2015, WHEN WE SAW IT
FOR THE FIRST TIME.
WE DID NOT LABEL --
THESE THINGS HAVE NOT OCCURRED
IN A VACUUM, ALEX, AND SO IT'S
IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, THAT
RIGHT NOW IT IS CRITICAL THAT
WE BEAR NO BONES ABOUT LABELING
THESE THINGS FOR WHAT THEY ARE
IN TERMS OF THE DEEP
ANTI-BLACKNESS AND RACISM THAT