- So Alyssa, I'm curious to get your response
to this new report because you worked in the White House
around this time.
Did you notice a shift in the former president's attitude
from praising election security to all of a sudden doubting it
just a few weeks later?
ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN: This was remarkable to hear because I'm
familiar with that meeting.
And I know there were others, where former CISA Chris
Krebs had briefed the former president about just
how secure American elections were
and the many steps that had been taken to put us in a place
where we could truly trust the institution of elections.
But it was when about I would say April or May of 2020, kind
of the height of COVID and also the former president's poll
numbers began to plummet, that he started raising
doubts about mail-in voting.
And I actually remember being in an Oval Office meeting
about that time where the campaign called the president
and I was sitting there.
And he they basically said, stop casting
doubt on mail-in voting.
You're going to depress your own voter turnout.
So, I mean, I don't want to try too hard to get into the mind
of Donald Trump, but I think a motivating factor
in this entire election myth big lie was the fact that he
for the first time realized he might lose
and he wanted to start paving the way for how he
would say he didn't truly lose.