- What were the first things in retrospect
looking back that started happening that you now
know we're crossing the line?
He started grooming you while your mother was
around then when he got you alone,
what did he start doing that caused--
as you look back now, you know we're crossing the line.
And again, I'm not asking for details here but what did--
what started happening that you now know was crossing the line?
- The touching.
I mean, he was also putting drugs in my food
too so that was kind of part of the conditioning.
- OK and what drugs was he putting in your food?
- Crack, cocaine.
- Yeah.
And what was he putting it in?
- I-- whatever I was being fed.
I mean, I'd imagine it was like cookies
or whatever he was giving me.
- Yeah.
So he was drugging you with crack.
- Yeah.
- And did you get to the point that he would get you
in an altered state of consciousness
where you were actually high?
- Oh yeah.
- It was substantial, correct?
- Yeah.
I like to call it comfortably numb.
- Yeah.
So you were zoned out?
- Yeah.
OK and I think this is important for people
to realize when you're 10, you don't have
anything to compare this to.
- I really don't remember even--
I guess realizing what was going on.
- I don't know why you-- how would you because like I say,
you don't have a yardstick to measure that to say,
this is OK, this is not OK.
There's no way to--
there's no point of reference I guess is what I'm saying.
- Yeah, there is no--
after a while, I was told stories about previous kids
and what had happened if they said anything.
I know my mom was threatened like he
threatened to do stuff to my mom if I
was to say what was going on.
And I don't know, after a while, it just-- it was normal I
guess, what was happening.
- Because it does get to be habitual
and he told you, if whatever happened when he started
to violate you personally, violate your body,
which was clearly molestation.
He told you if you shared this with anybody, if you told
anybody, what would happen?
- That he's killed my mom.