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- A number of doctors and
medical institutions in the US

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are denying care to
those unvaccinated

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against COVID-19,
even if they have

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life-threatening conditions.

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WHOOPI GOLDBERG: So
some doctors are saying

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they'll refuse
treatment for people

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who choose not to get the shot.

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- I understand people
are free to choose,

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but to me, it's a problem
when it affects other people.

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ALYSSA BURGART: My name
is Dr. Alyssa Burgart,

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and I am a bioethicist
and anesthesiologist

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at Stanford University.

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When we talk about clinicians
denying treatment to people who

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are unvaccinated, I think
there's a false understanding

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that somehow, as a community,
we have already done absolutely

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everything that we can to
ensure people have access

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to vaccination and
have access to accurate

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information about vaccination,
and that's just not true.

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And so for me, it's
really challenging

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when I hear someone
say, well, I don't

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want to treat people who are
unvaccinated, because they

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should have known better.

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It's like, well,
not necessarily.

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I think that, as a
community, former President

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Trump was vaccinated in secret.

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You know, when you think about
that and the power of that

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over an entire community,
it's really important

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to recognize that the
narratives about vaccination

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and about the safety
of vaccination

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have been very politicized.

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JONATHAN MORENO:
Jonathan Moreno,

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I'm professor of bioethics at
the University of Pennsylvania.

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I think there's a fundamental
misunderstanding when health

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care professionals
decline to engage

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in practices that will
enable them comfortably

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to take care of patients.

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I believe it is part of the
obligation of health care

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professionals to, in this case,
to either accept vaccination

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or to report to work
with appropriate

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personal protective equipment.

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I do think, though, that also
that doctors and nurses have

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a responsibility to
communicate to the public

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to their patients,
and the patients'

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families, and patients' friends,
you know, what is appropriate.

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And what is appropriate
right now is for them to seek

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the benefits of vaccination.

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ALYSSA BURGART: Sometimes
something feels right,

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but actually is
morally misguided.

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And so when I hear a clinician
saying, well, I'm just--

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I'm angry at all these people
who haven't been vaccinated,

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and I don't want to take
care of them, well to me,

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what that says is that
we need to reassess

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what is our role as caregivers.

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JONATHAN MORENO: If we get into
a situation in which you can

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pick and choose who
you want to care for,

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the profession breaks down.

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The foundations of
medicine required doctors

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to take care of patients.

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If they stop doing that, then
we have really no profession.

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